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Martial Arts and Police Work -- the Internal Fighting Arts Podcast Interview with Sgt. Aaron Leisinger

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(L-R) Aaron Leisinger, Ken Gullette and Dan Gray around 2003

Two weeks ago, I met with two friends to talk martial arts and compare notes -- Aaron Leisinger and John Morrow.

I have competed against both of them in tournaments.

We compared martial notes and I wanted to see and hear what Aaron has discovered is effective as a police officer facing real-world violence. He trains fellow officers in defensive and combative techniques and strategies to resolve situations as quickly and peacefully as possible.

I was so interested in our discussion and his work, I thought it would make a great podcast interview. I was right.

Here is the 79th edition of my Internal Fighting Arts podcast. You can listen to it here or download it. You can also find it on Spotify and other podcast distributors.

 


Why Long-Term Martial Artists Go Through the Pain and Difficulty of Training Year after Year

This is itMartial arts -- they're not for everyone.

How often have you heard someone say that? I've not only heard it, I've said it.

David Brooks just wrote one of the best op-ed pieces I've ever read in The New York Times about how to live the best life possible. If you are a martial artist, and a dedicated one, you might see yourself in this wonderful piece.

For those of us who feel compelled to practice these arts long-term, we don't see the strain and the pain of learning as an obstacle.

We are faced with intricate movement that requires us to rewire our brains and bodies.

We are corrected over and over by our teachers.

And when other students who enroll in a martial arts class give up because it's "too difficult," we see that difficulty and pain as a challenge. Do we feel uncoordinated? Yes. Does it discourage us? No, it makes us work harder.

We work to get better, and the better we get, the more we practice. We know we can do better.

We practice and study -- week after week, year after year -- sometimes, the same material.

How many times have I practiced Yilu, the first main form of Chen Taiji? Countless times.

How many times have I practiced the Xingyi Linking form or the Bagua Eight Main Palms form? Countless times.

How many more times will I practice these forms and the various fighting techniques, principles of movement, push hands, and more?

Countless times.

I don't know how the martial arts bug bit you, but when the Kung Fu TV show hit TV in 1972, I was mesmerized. It was as if they reached inside my mind and turned on a neon sign that said, "This is IT!" A few months later, when Bruce Lee hit the screen in the U.S., I had no choice. I had to study.

In September, 2025, I will have been practicing punches and kicks, blocks and deflections, forms and sparring -- for 52 years.

Why did martial arts enrapture me that way, when I have seen dozens and dozens of students say they want to be the best, only to drop out within a few weeks or months?

I've seen students compete in tournaments, not win a trophy, and drop out of martial arts, discouraged, thinking they aren't good enough. They didn't feel the passion.

When some sport or activity like this touches your soul, your failures are not failures. Instead of giving up, you ask yourself, "How can I get better? What can I learn from this?" The failures fuel the fire inside to study and practice further, because when the neon light that says "This is IT!" is turned on, there is no turning it off.

Almost everyone has something out there that strikes a passion in them -- something that will turn on the inner neon sign. For some people it's running, as David Brooks points out. For others it's painting, or playing guitar or the piano. Others play golf or basketball.

Whatever strikes you this way, it's not just a hobby, or a way to make a few bucks. It's a calling.

If you answer a calling, you don't mind feeling clumsy or inadequate, because you are determined to work until you don't feel that way.

So we should cut people some slack if they say they want to learn martial arts but drop out before too long. It just didn't flip the neon sign on in their souls as it did for those of us who have put decades into the arts. And that's okay, because the people who drop out can keep looking for That One Thing they are passionate about.

Meanwhile, we will still practice, practice, over and over again, aiming for something that drives us forward, continuing to reach for that elusive bit of excellence that we know we are capable of attaining. We are determined to do it.

I now realize this is why I continued practicing after losing a lung. I kept learning and practicing after developing atrial fibrillation, and through the other physical insults that aging inevitably brings. I hit the age of 70 and kept practicing and studying. I hit 72 and I am still practing and studying. Why? Because practice brings its own reward.

For we know that when we get into "the zone," when we are putting the body mechanics together and time stands still and the movement flows and we are focused and committed, we are living our best life

You don't keep going because it's easy. You keep going because something deep inside you is nourished by the work. It's not always flashy. Sometimes it's frustrating. Sometimes you’re working on a movement or concept for years before it finally clicks. But the joy is in the work—the slow honing of skill, the insight that comes from quiet persistence, the moment when you feel "Oh, I GOT it."

When you start training, you want to earn the ultimate prize - a black belt. Some people earn a black belt and quit, thinking their journey is over. But those who are in it for the long haul see the future widening in front of them, with goals to achieve for a lifetime.

When you find something that fulfills you in the way martial arts fulfill me, it is something you can't stop even if you try. It gives you a sense of purpose -- a way of being in the world.

That’s how I feel about internal martial arts. They align with my love for philosophy, for self-defense, for self-improvement, and for helping others discover their own internal strength. I love the martial aspects. That's why I gave my teaching practice the name Internal Fighting Arts. But it's all one inseparable package. 

When people ask how I’ve stuck with it for nearly 52 years, the answer is simple: Once I discovered it, I couldn’t not do it.

It’s not just something I do. It’s part of who I am.

When you find That One Thing that turns on the neon light of your passion -- that takes you down the long path -- you wouldn’t trade it for anything. I hope you find it.

---by Ken Gullette

 

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Sometimes, the Best Response to a Martial Arts Injury is to Rest

I'm in my early 70s and I don't take pain medication -- no Tylenol, no ibuprofen. Even though I've practiced martial arts for 51 years, I have no pain in my day-to-day activities.

But three weeks ago, I suffered a painful glute injury. It was a real pain in the butt, and I don't even think I did it the fun way.

I'm not sure how I did it. But pivoting my leg or bending over to reach something or tie my shoes sent me into spasms of agony.

And sneezing! Don't even get me started. The human body is so connected internally, a sneeze would cause me to convulse in the upper body, the fascia would pull and the chain reaction down my body made me nearly cry out. Nancy was alarmed.

That Wednesday, I taught two live Taiji classes online -- carefully teaching some silk-reeling exercises and looking at body mechanics.

Somehow, I was compensating for my strained glute so much, I injured my right groin along the inguinal ligament. That added insult to injury and I was a hurtin' puppy.

Then I decided to do something I don't do very often.

I rested for two weeks.

This is not something I'm accustomed to doing. Even when I fractured and dislocated my left shoulder in 2001, while diving for a ground ball playing softball, I only missed one class. I taught with one arm for weeks, while my left arm was in an immobilizer.

Hip StabilizerThey actually do make a butt and groin stabilizer. I might have worn it a couple of weeks ago if I knew they existed.

Instead, I rested. I didn't take any classes, didn't teach any, and didn't practice. It was not easy.  

This week, I am back in action. The pain is gone, just a memory. I'm teaching and practicing again. 

A lot of us try to be macho when we injure ourselves, or when we get sick. "Walk it off" is a saying that cracks me up. You lost a leg? Walk it off. Bleeding to death? Walk it off. You got hurt? Keep practicing.

As we grow older, if we are lucky, we get a little smarter. So when I am sick or injured, I give my body time to heal. If I can force myself to do that -- and it isn't easy -- I find that I'm able to return to full practice a lot sooner than if I continue aggravating the illness or injury.

Returning to full practice feels very good.

So the next time you aren't feeling well, or injure yourself, try to remember this. Cut yourself some slack. You don't have to prove how tough you are. Take it easy until you feel better. Then get back to work, you slacker.

-- by Ken Gullette